July 1st, 2008
|07:05 am - timey-wimey wibbly-wobbly semanticy-wanticy|
Okay, new Who fans, help me out with something which has been bothering me since Saturday night. We call this segment
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means
what you think it means.
For context, Merriam-Webster sez...
proc·la·ma·tion Where in this definition does it say "See also: group of cops in space"?
Etymology: Middle English proclamacion, from Anglo-French, from Latin proclamation-, proclamatio, from proclamare
Date: 14th century
1: the action of proclaiming : the state of being proclaimed
2: something proclaimed; specifically : an official formal public announcement
I'm serious here. It's been grating on my nerves, grate grate grate, ever since last Saturday's episode when we discovered what the Shadow Proclamation was, and we also discovered that Russell T. Davies has been using an entirely new and exciting definition of the word "proclamation" than what we'd known before.
Up until now, when we've heard the name (which is admittedly an awesome I Just Made Something Cool Up kind of name) it seems to have pertained to an actual proclamation, some kind of intergalactic peacekeeping document with rules and laws and whatnot. The Doctor invokes Convention 15 of the Shadow Proclamation to demand a hostile alien race identify itself and then open negotiations. Group of laws.
But then Naughty Space Nanny in the Fat Kids episode is told that "the Shadow Proclamation" has been alerted to her deeds of bad. Wait, what?
Finally we get to The Stolen Earth, where Doctordonnafriend go hippity-skippity over to the Shadow Proclamation Base and we realize that no, apparently "Proclamation" really does mean "group" nowadays. How'd this get corrupted? It was cool when it was a set of laws and conventions in the Awesome Stuff I Just Made Up category. Now it seems to be in the Awesome Stuff I Just Made Up But Didn't Think All The Way Through So It Doesn't Make A Lick Of Sense If You Stop To Think About It category, unless someone here can point me to an actual secondary usage of the word that does seem to define a group.
A better word would've been "Consortium", I think. Yeah, "The Shadow Consortium" has a nice ring to it, and the document they could use and enforce could still be the Shadow Proclamation. But perhaps Rusty plays World of Warcraft and didn't want another group of space mummies running about.
Or perhaps these rhino cops and their crazy white-haired pals are big fans of 60s pop and psychedelia, and since "The Association", "Big Brother and the Holding Company" and "Federal Duck" were all taken, decided to come up with another awesomely authoritative-sounding name. I dunno. Your guess is as good as mine at this point.
I'm gonna guess that the name of the agreement came to stand for the body that was formed to enforce it. Kind of like how "the Geneva Convention" is a recognized document here on earth, despite the Resolutions of the Geneva International Conference merely being a result of the Geneva Convention.
|Date:||July 1st, 2008 11:39 am (UTC)|| |
This is also my position.
|Date:||July 1st, 2008 07:24 pm (UTC)|| |
Thirded. I figured there was an actual SP, and then the group known as the SP was formed as a result.
That's how I semi-consciously interpreted it too.
I can accept the "reverse Geneva Convention" naming, er, convention. Still doesn't make the name any less st00pid.
|Date:||July 1st, 2008 11:52 pm (UTC)|| |
I was thinking something similar from the context provided. I don't watch the show, though.
I figured it was an artificial plural term. You know, like "murder of crows", "pride of lions". Now we have a "proclamation of intergalactic enforcers": the Shadow Proclamation, the Federal Proclamation of Investigation, the Proclamation of Bizarro-Krypton, etc.
Ok, I can also accept this idea too.
I figure the Shadow Proclamation is itself some sort of treaty organization, like NATO or the UN, named after their founding treaty, and they just hire Judoon as needed and as budget allows--since we've been told earlier that the Judoon are mercenaries/rent-a-cops.
Edited at 2008-07-01 12:52 pm (UTC)
|Date:||July 1st, 2008 01:41 pm (UTC)|| |
Choose your own witty response!
To say "The Shadow Proclamation was one of my favorite soul groups of the late '60s, better even than the Delfonics," turn to page 73.
To say "Look THAT up in your Funk and Wagnall's," turn to page 4
To say "Doctor Who?" turn to page 94.
|Date:||July 1st, 2008 03:12 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: Choose your own witty response!
Wait, wait, I changed my mind!
What if I turned to page 4 but didn't take my finger off the original page? Can I go back?
Re: Choose your own witty response!
Was that a chicken joke?
Maybe it is to say that they as a group are constantly in the state of proclaiming or their lives are "an official formal public announcement."
If they were a group constantly in the state of proclaiming then they should call themselves The Proclaimers and then we'd get to hear some nifty songing while we watched the episode!
Like those parents who incessantly played Beatles music and left their unfortunate children with the thought that it's "my parents' music," my mom's early-80's addiction to Doctor Who has inadvertently pushed me far from sci-fi's shores.
But recently overcoming the same phenomenon with respect to Black Adder has steeled my resolve to check out the good doctor, by means other than listening to Tom Baker narrate "Little Britain." I can beat this thing.
. . . though I did have a middle-school taste for historical fiction (or, as I like to call it, hi-fi), thanks to the dirty parts of John Jakes, so the hurdle to Black Adder may have been lower.
Anyone who uses Tom Lehrer as an LJ icon and has more "Electric Company" photo icons of anyone I know, MUST be my LJ friend. May I add you?
By all means, feel free! Pleased to meet you!
I got to watch a couple internet friends of mine argue once about nerd/underground rap... one of them was too cool to bother listening to Anti-Pop Consortium because they used such a big, unwieldy word for "group" or "posse" in their name. He got sonned by my other friend who pointed out that dude was notorious in his adulation for early 90s west coast style pioneers, the Freestyle Fellowship.
I pretty much buy every record by the Association I see, incidentally.
I see it as "let's make up this cool-sounding name so people won't guess what a retarded bunch of losers it turns out to be."
God, I hated that episode.